Peenie Wallie

Wow, it's interesting how I can find the source for the "fraudulent" graph (http://www.istpp.org/crime_prevention/), but I can't find the source of yours (http://www.naturallaw.org.nz/Research/DC_Abstract.htm - doesn't exist)!

Could the Instritute of Science, Technology and Public Policy be wrong and you be right? I don't think so! Prove your graph, or you're just another unfounded skecptical fraud!

Ok so why does Emoto sell you bottles of magic water for $65 ?

http://hado.net/products.html

http://www.wellnessgoods.com/messages.asp

This sounds like a Kabbalah center special edition:

http://www.kabbalahwater.com/
http://www.arih2o.com/buyarih2o.shtml

Can these fraudsters, if I'm going to call them this please accept some type of proper double-blind study or 'challenge' to demo their magic water?

Mike,

I would quote a .gov site before a site that is run by someone from MUM.edu. Keep in mind the MUM courses are offered for $5-10k and there are monteary gains associated with most of these sites.

http://www.istpp.org/crime_prevention/

I hate to be a skeptic but someone really needs to back up some statements with real evidence vs private party non-sense.

did you read his books? replicate an experiment imperically like all disbelievers would?
before throwing out accusations and the like, you should know that many have replicated his experiments and recieved the same results. mr. emoto is an extremely busy man and international public speaker, relax. keep your 10 million and try it yourself, chill out for a second and read a book. very wise words, you may benefit.

You know, this movie was full of unbelievable stuff, but that was the point. Its hard to say whether its true. I believe a lot of it, only because I already believed it before I saw the movie. Most of what they talked about was things I've already thought to be true but they supposedly have applied scientific theories to it. Anyway, my point is, the thing they were saying about it is, if you dont believe it you are conciously making it not true. you can make anything you want, things to be false. also, like he said, people look at unbelievable things and they either dont see it, or they dont believe it. its kind of a catch 22 in the whole thing, and sure it could be concidered a cop out answer, but isnt that how most huge religions handle big questions too?

Well, you can make some things to be true by your beliefs, as they're essentially self-fulfilling prophecies. As in, "I don't think I could start my own company". Well, in that case, you're right. You can't. Or "I believe I can start my own company". In which case, you're also right. But to say you can tell what other people were thinking by taking pictures of water crystals is a horse of a different color. This involves physics, and I guarantee you he can't reproduce this result in a double-blind test. It just isn't possible.

I actually couldn't care less if these experiments are biased and misleading. What troubles me is you, and so many others alike, that call a theory a hoax based on what they know of "physics". The truth is that ever since eisenberg, every time you arrogant "scientists" try to proove something impossible because it conflicts with your knowledge of the "real world", you can't, quantum mechanics has questioned the very foundation of you're "laws". And so, if you can't understand the structure, if you dont have a basis of evidence, you become no diferent from the ones you acuse of having inadequate scientific methodology and of
being "anti-lectual". The diference is they spend their time constructing and you spend your time destroying. A cab driver this morning made me think, why is it that anyone going slower than you are is an idiot, but anyone going faster is a maniac?

I challenged Dr. Criminal Emoto's preposterous claims on this site over a year ago. I bet $10,000.00 that he couldn't reproduce the results in a double-blind experiment, and he's never said "boo". So, he's a fraud. Otherwise, he'd come forward and clear his good name post haste. He's a fraud, and you're too stupid to realize it. The line the cab driver fed you about "why is it that anyone going slower than you are is an idiot, but anyone going faster is a maniac" is an old line from George Carlin's standup comedy routine. You're being hoodwinked by Emoto and a freaking cab driver for Christ's sake. Wake up and smell the B.S.

I'm not an Emoto believer but your attitude is just as questionnable as his experiments. Do you think everyine in the world has seen your website and that Mr. Emoto would? And if he did? Who the hell are you to challenge him with a financial proposition?

Can you prove that you can pay in case he wins?

Please affix your last bank extract before making such statements. You might not look like some angry skeptic that is just as far-off from reality as a great number of new-age frauds.

There is a middle way you know?

You obviously haven't thought this out very well, so I'll help you with it. Here's how the internet works. Not everyone on earth has to see my site for Dr. Emoto to get word of it. What would happen is that, anyone that knows him that saw this post would direct him to it. Or, anyone that knows someone that knows him, would point him to it. This is how the internet works. It's marvelously efficient.

I can assure you that I can come up with the $10K. For some, this may seem like a lot, but for me, this is not a lot of money.

Finally, the $10,000.00 is insignificant, in any event. I am calling him a liar, a fraud, and a cheat. He is, I can assure you. The reason he hasn't sued me for libel is that the ultimate defense about libel is the truth. And the truth is that he's a fraud. If he weren't he'd have sued me by now. Think about it.

Finally, there is, unfortunately, no middle way. He either can reproduce his claims, or he can not. It is black and white. There is no grey here. I guarantee you he's lying. Why don't you contact him and ask him what's wrong with a double-blind experiment. (You can look up what double-blind means when you get some time off from McDonalds.)

Maybe Dr Emoto doesn't care about you or your money and feels no need to prove anything to you. Maybe he found soemthing he thought was cool and thought it would be nice to share.

Yeah. That sounds about right. A scientist that doesn't care about money or his reputation. Hmmm. Yeah. That makes lots of sense, doesn't it?

"Dr" Emoto received his degree from the Open International University of alternative Medicine in India to the tune of about $450. His undergrad degree is in international realtions from the Yokahama Municipal University. Hmm, not exactly the stuff pre med's are made of.
As it's been noted in the scientific community, the qualities "DR"E uses and the photographs are culled to make his point. Hardly sicentific. If his work is acurate, it is indeed groundbreaking but sadly it is unintentional fraud.

Hi. Is a little sad, and surprises me, that someone so right in his skeptical and critical way of thinking can be so inhuman in tolerance and discriminating issues.

You are absolutely right about Emotos, and What the bleep stuff, but not about immigrants, mexicans and different cultures from yours.

Hmmm. Not sure what you mean by this. I think people shouldn't come here illegally, but I have nothing against Mexicans or people from other cultures. I have plenty of friends from different creeds, religions, races, and nationalities. I don't think Mexicans should come here illegally though. Maybe this is what's behind your comment?

You seem to be very confident that he is a fraud.

Now im not saying he is or he isnt a fraud, but his experiments are interesting if they are true.

Since money is not an object for you, why dont you take your $10 000 and invest it in doing the double-blind study yourself?

Its not like his experiments are elaborate, he thinks thoughts and looks at water.

So if you prove him wrong you can say without a doubt he is a fraud and you will be the person who puts Emoto in his place!

But for now you sound like a grade 3 kid saying, oh if he doesnt accept my challenge he is a fake.

Thats the stupidest thing i've heard!

So mister big shot money man, if Emoto wont respond and your CONFIDENT AND YOU HAVE MONEY TO SPEND..go do it yourself

If your Right you can make Emoto look like a fool and you call tell everyone who thinks YOU'RE wrong to go..**** themselves lol.

But if you find that its true, do me a favour. Grab a pistol and just shoot yourself.

Good day!

You're an idiot. I know he's a fraud. Everyone knows he's a fraud. I wouldn't waste a nickle of my money proving he's a fraud. It's intuitively obvious to the casual observer. Go study physics you freaking white-trash miscreant.

It would be good if we could tone down the inflammatory prose here. This issue is too important to turn a discussion of it into a pissing contest.

So here's the thing: Why is nobody willing to do the double blind experiments? Peenie Wallie says he "wouldn't waste a nickel" of his money to prove Emoto is a fraud. But he's willing to give Emoto $10K if Emoto does the double-blind experiment that would tell us whether he's a fraud. Is there not a little double-speak going on here? It looks like PW *is* willing to spend $10K to show Emoto is a fraud. So his most recent comment (4-26-06) is a little hard to understand.

In fact, if Emoto is a fraud, why trust him to do the double-blind experiment in the first place? If someone -- anyone! -- is willing to part with any amount of their money to establish the truth, why not use that money to fund a (disinterested) third party to do the experiment? I would exclude BOTH Emoto and PW from the list of disinterested parties.

I am a professor at a highly regarded public university who is intrigued by but skeptical of Emoto's results. As a matter of fact, I know enough physics to know that it would be rash to dismiss Emoto's results on the basis of "physics" alone. But, as I say, I am skeptical. Am I in a position to do this research myself? Not really. Would I redirect my research activity for the purpose of doing it (I have tenure) if I were properly funded? Maybe. It would obviously take me away from other work; and I would be subjecting myself to a certain amount of ridicule just by being willing to carry out the experiments in the first place. But that in itself would not be a "deal breaker". I know how petty my colleagues can be, and I think my self-esteem can take the hit. But this doesn't mean I'd be willing to do the double-blind experiment(s) myself -- just that I'd be willing to consider it.

Maybe there is some other disinterested but credible party who is in a better position to do this work than I. Such a person would be worth finding.

Hmmm. Here's my comment. I'm willing to pay $10,000.00 if he can prove his work in a double-blind test. This is because I'm sure he is a fraud. 100% sure. However, me wasting my time actually doing the test is impossible. I have no idea how to contact him, nor would he agree to any of my conditions of the test. It's readily apparent that he's a fraud, so, obviously, he wouldn't show up at my house or a respective scientific lab to do his experiment. However, if he's willing to submit himself to my experiments, then...sure...I'll do the tests. Send him to me.

In the mean time, check out this article about Mr. Emoto.

The reason Emoto hasn't contacted you is because you are not important enough for him to even know you exist. You must have a pretty infalted vision of yourself to think Emoto would even care what you say. Somebody would come up to him and say; "Hey Emoto there's this guy on the internet who says he'' pay you $10,000.00 if you can prove your tests accuracy in a double blind study" , and Emoto would say;" What the hell is a peenie willie?,and why the hell should I care what some blustering cynic thinks about my work".

I agree with the poster that suggested you just shoot yourself and save the world the torment of your negativity.

Dave,

Obviously, you don't have a reputation to protect, or you'd understand how important it is to protect one. If someone publicly called you a fraud, then should immediately sue the from slander or libel. This is standard procedure. If you don't, then Occam's Razor says the reason you don't is that you're a fraud. Truth is the ultimate defense against a libel suit. He is a fraud, and everyone in the world knows it. He got his degree from a mail order university, for christ's sake. Wake up and smell the fraud you sycophant.

Peenie, People who are ahead of you in life, don't waste time with lawsuits. By all means enjoy your rants, your small time "internet" fame because I am sure Dr. E will continue to enjoy his ever improving life. I am pretty sure his speaking fee is higher than yours, I am pretty sure more people want to spend time with him than you, but as long as you feel you are doing a good thing for the world and yourself, keep up the good positive work.

Dr. Emoto is a fraud. Anyone knows that you life by your reputation. He doesn't sue, because he is a fraud, and reputation is not worth defending. He got his degree from a mail order university. You have no idea how much money I make. And I'm sure why you think more people want to spend time around him than me. You've never met me, or him, and have no basis on which to judge this. I promise you I tell better stories around the campfire. Dr. Emoto is a liar and a fraud. At least I am a successful pundit and raconteur, if nothing else.

Please descibe successful.

I have time to do as I choose. I don't ask for vacation, or time off. I set my own schedule. I fly around the country at my leisure. I have no deadlines. I write about what I choose to write, when I choose to write. My writings are widely read, and greatly appreciated. That, to me, is success.

Oh. And, also, I get to post my thoughts for others to read, and debate, online, such as yourself, without suffering the misfortune of having to meet them in person.

Dr. Emoto isn't the only fraud out there. There are millions making a living at astrology, palmistry, and all sorts of fakery. He isn't alone, and he isn't exceptional. He's just one fraud among millions. I mentioned him because the dolts that made the movie chose to focus on his outrageous claims.

Have a nice day, and enjoy the mental prison that the good Dr. Emoto has deceptively constructed for you. :)

This is an interesting site! I'm half-way through watching "What the Bleep" and when I saw Mr. Emoto I did a Google search and found it. The quantum world is mysterious, but I still highly doubt Emoto's water claims, as well as the so-called science on random numbers the video mentions. I am looking forward to a replicated study. Know of any? If I had to bet money, I would put it all on "He's a fraud". People really have to believe in something, so even nonsense will fill that void. I prefer reality.

Finally! I have the answer that we have all been asking ourselves...who could peenie be... he/she/it does not have a real job, is deluded and arrogent...Pairs Hilton ....DUH
Also let me predict the train of thought in h/s/i next post......Dr. Dummy Dumb is a fake...
I am sooooo good... I will do your stupid double blind test...Got money to burn, email me or better yet find me on my space...Tie Ren...I am a college student so I have just the kind of frivolous enthusiasm this project needs...Just call me Dr. Wow...

Little hay,
Excuse me for trying to inject a little science into a bunch of tree-hugging palm-reading sheisters. Carry on with your delusions. I'm sure that taking everything you hear at face value will get you far in life. I apologize for doubting the outrageous claims of Dr. Emoto. May you find happiness with your mental peers in the pseudo-scientific community of the left coast.

Well as long as your sorry then I, as well as the pseudo-scientists, forgive you....life is a basketball in chain brother...that is what freed the fish....

By the way...I was serious about doing that test so if you ever grow the balls to put your money where your mouth is you know where to find me.
I don’t think I will be posting here anymore...I kind of get a nose bleed when look down and see the astronomical difference between your prowess and my own...but don’t worry...once you get out of grammar school you can start playing with the big boys....

Little hay,

I'm sure you get nosebleeds all the time. Lay off the drugs, and join us in reality. My sincerest condolences to those suffering your presence. I pray that you drown in a shallow pond, and that your mother is unable to attract attention, as she runs barking along the shore.

Hi,
I have been interested in quantum physics for a long time and, when I saw the movie, I immediately though that Mr. Emoto's pictures were a fake, not because of any physical principle (I always doubt) but because of the manipulation of the color in these pictures. Even if the structure of christals changed, it was very suspicious for me that the water photographed after a violent situation was shown in red whereas the peaceful ones were in blue. Isn't that funny? I see Mr. Emoto as some kind of "naïf" artist and his work has more to do with creation than it has to do with science. No big deal, as long as he promotes love. As to the movie, I think it mixes some serious physical theories with cheap esoteric nonsense. I found this forum tryng to find any consistent study that prooved or refused Emoto's work. I think behind the insult gallery, which I don't want to enter, there's some interesting debate in here. My personal opinion is that Mr. Emoto's pictures have no scientific value at all, but aren't they beautiful?

i am myself a skeptic about Mr Emotos photographs, but I came to this conclusion by reading about his methods not by writing a rant calling him a fraud and offering money that theres no proof will ever be produced. I doubt very much that Mr Emoto had read your little site or would respond if he had. Based on the fact that he has books, merchandise and inumerable seminars, i doubt very much he would be inclined to accept your "offer". And as to reputation, who the hell do you think you are that you could do anything to damage his reputation? You yourself have referred to yourself as "paranoid" and your work as "worthless". I doubt very much anyone would lose respect for Mr Emoto because of your ramblings.

k,

Right. Like, you came to this conclusion, where as someone like me, who studied physics for years in college, couldn't possibly be able to have an informed opinion. Glad to hear you took some time off from your day job removing lead paint to crack a book. Congratulations. I know that he's a fraud because you can't change the shape of water molecules with your brain. You're an idiot. He's an idiot. And a liar. And a fraud. And, obviously you don't know anything about how important it is to protect your reputation because you don't have one to protect. He would sue me if he wasn't a fraud. You would know this if you weren't an idiot.

Peenie Wallie, you're a fraud. If you do not sue me shortly, I'll assume you agree.

Yeah, ok. I can see that to you, this might make sense. But it makes no sense to me to say I'm a fraud. I never claimed to be anything but a pundit to begin with. I say that his results can't be duplicated. That what he's claiming to do violates the known and accepted laws of physics. And I challenged him on it. So, he's going out on a limb with outlandish claims that can't be replicated, and I called him on it. As have others. I'm sorry that you disagree with me, and I'm equally sorry that he's deliberately misleading you and legions of other gullible, but no-doubt well-intentioned sycophants. It's nice to have a mentor. But you're chasing a malevolent Svengali, my friend. I wish you the best.

well of course he is a fraud I dont get why so many people defends Dr E, maybe he gave you something to belive in, maybe you needed that, but I prefer to keep my mind open for the truth not someone's pseudo scientific dream!

cheers peenie wallie

OH MINE...what makes you think Emoto will be a little bit interested in taking the challenge of reproducing his experiments for crappy 10'000 USD when he´s making hundreds of thousands with his books and water, offer him a Million :)

Actually double blind studies have been done, in Russia, japan and Holland, Germany and the US. On a micro-biological level static shift of energy can be measured through modern equipment. Thought, provided generated by a trained mediam, can be profound (Uri Geller is one of many)
That's why plants grow toward classical music and away from Monkey rap and hard metal. etc.
I understand the great sceptics, it's hard to fathom, but thought has aHUGE effect on matter. But matter is the final stage of a long process of conciousness so it takes a lot of energy to change it. Like the bricks of a house. No trouble moving one at the time but try to move a whole hous at once.

As faras the photographs do I have to agree that they look suspicious but that has to do with the temprature of the environement.

It takes a long time to become sick and a long time tobecome healthy and water is the only transient substance that will nearly absorb anything fast. It's really a gas and solvent and anything radiating on it's particles will effect the energy of thoe particles and thus the crystalisation as those are constructed this or that way through minute changes in energy.

Any way, charging money for water if the man really want's to improve the world and thus slowing that process by charging is dubuious, that make me wonder more about his sincerety than the fact that water can be changed through slight energy shifts.

He shoud donate the water to human kind to improve the world one glass at a time....
Sorry if my English is not what it should be. I am Dutch

Dr. Dean Radin has publically gone on record that he has conducted doubleblind studies of Dr. Emoto's work and in fact tripleblind.

Check out the Coast to Coast radio stream to hear him live.

Here's a quote from the site:

Radin also spoke about working with Dr. Masaru Emoto to replicate some of his studies with water crystals. Their collaborative experiment revealed that crystals produced from water bottles that had been meditated upon were more attractive to the eye, than those that had not received attention from the meditators. (February 1, 2007)

Let's send good intentions and become like water in responding to love, joy, and gratitude.

Thank you.

Its all in the individual perception. Whatever we think or believe will eventually come true. If you choose not to believe this or think about this.. you will NEVER know for sure!
Nothing is Impossible!

i dont believe in masaru emoto's crystal claims and to see my friends displaying his picture on their pages in praise is distressing. i was glad to find this page, but peenie weenie attacks everyone no matter if they're on "his side" or not. i just found it funny that no matter how many people agreed with him, as soon as they said one little thing against his rigid, unfaltering belief, he flipped. pretty funny.

there are some people who are with you dude, just calm down.

as for his angry attacks on supporters and critics alike, peenie wallie's sweet closing sentences: "Wake up and smell the fraud you sycophant" and "You would know this if you weren't an idiot" and "I pray that you drown in a shallow pond, and that your mother is unable to attract attention, as she runs barking along the shore" are worthy of fame all on their own! lol.

Nicole, You're as sharp as a marble. You finally found the one web site on earth that has the balls to point out that this idiot is a liar and a fraud and you get down on me? Brilliant. Smoke another bowl, hippie.

Being a skeptic is not a form of wisdom. And spending a great deal of energy ranting about what you don't believe is the sign of a disturbed mind. Peenie Weenie and those like him are far more foolish than the "scientists" who argued that Galileo was deceived by his own telescope.
Full-time "Skeptics" seem to me to be typically lazy, arrogant, and frightened people who are more concerned with their own belief systems than with the truth. There is no room in their lives for revolutionary thought. And they have no real curiosity or respect for others. This is not to excuse bad science. But fierce devotion to any pardigm will blind you to the truth and lead to the development of negative social skills.

History and science have always been full of opposing veiw points. The truth usually ends up being somewhere between the two or nothing like either. Gallileo's Kopernican view is now also seen as rather primitive. Neuton was a genius, and sometimes wrongish. Einstein had good reason to keep an open mind.

Remember when cranberries were toxic, margarine was better than butter, and cigarettes had "scientifically proven" health benefits? As good scientists, it is our responsibility to look for holes in our own reasoning, not to cling to our limited views and criticise others.

Peenie Weenie and the others may be right about one or two things. But their entries on this forum serve less to disprove quacks than to display their own immaturity and need for psychiatric help.

Rob Kiser, you are just plain rude. But Peenie Weenie is a dick. You would have to pay a lot more than 10 G to get important people to pay attention to either you. The fact that the opinions of other matter so much to you suggests that you should consider mediation as a means to refine your personalities.

Ian, there's a difference between being skeptical and being a mouth-breathing idiot on an eternal quest for a svengali. If this fraud's claims are true, then why not do double-blind test? Are you against rigorous scientific analysis? Hmmm???

Dr. Emoto doesn't spend his time trying to convince people like you to believe him. His intentions are focused on positive aspects of energy and vibration. FYI, the double blind experiment has already been done.

"FYI, the double blind experiment has already been done." That's total bullsh1t. Post a link to this double blind study.

My Svengali can bend spoons with his mind and change the shape of water crystals with positive energy. Burn one for me, stoner.

I saw the What the Bullshit do We Know movie, and this water crystal thing had me intrigued. I looked it up, and found that he did not conform to scientific discipline, and so I dropped it. I think it´s interesting, though, and I can understand why some of the people posting here are worked up about it.

I read about 3 posts (and I didn´t read them all) saying that Emoto doesn´t need to prove anything to "you," meaning the venerable mad scientist that´s running this joint. However, these people are wrong because if Emoto is claiming that he "proved" this, then he is flat out lying, and needs to correct this.

Now, Emoto´s website is terrible, so I´m not going to waste too much time there, but from what I can tell, he´s not really saying that it´s a scientific experiment, and the wikipedia entry (can we trust that?) explains that he freely admits observational bias. Perhaps it is the film that is the true culprit here.

There is nothing wrong saying that the human spirit can alter the structure of a water crystal, and there is nothing wrong with believing that, if one should be so inclined, but it´s a problem when somebody lies and says they´ve proved it scientifically when they actually haven´t.

Now I´ve got some plants in my apartment, and I have named them after human emotions, just for fun. I´m quirky too, see, but proofs are proofs, and Emoto doesn´t have a damned thing.

I agree entirely with you (Peenie and Kiser), but nonetheless you guys are ridiculously stupid. Let´s just leave it at that.

Well, Humpty Dumpty and Robert Rogge (you two are the same, I checked your IP address -Doh!), I don't live in an apartment and I dont' have any plants named after human emotions. So, I think we know who's stupd. Let's leave it at that.

It's certainly psuedo-scientific (faked), and I agree that most of the believers (who comment here) are a bit thick.
From your aggressive tone, i guess you struggle to communicate with unscientific folk who don't favour the sceptical mindset of scientific folk.
Some people didn't seem to realise that you weren't offering to pay 'Dr' Emoto 10k to do the study, only if he proved himself correct. Does seem like a playground challenge rather than a thoughtfull denial of his science though.
Also the 2 people who you think are the same person could just be sharing a web connection, perhaps they both just watched the film, and both found this site, independently or not.
You're very aggressive - try smoking a bit of weed rather than castigating the often well considered stoners.

Just came by this discussion and could not resist the temptation to investigate the matter even if I am bit late...

Here is a peer-reviewed article on a double-blinded study performed last year (published Sept 2006)
http://www.explorejournal.com/article/PIIS1550830706003272/abstract

Surprised no one here thought to look for it on pubmed.org - it was the first thing that came up for me when I searched. You can purchase online for $10. I did- the study seems pretty legit and balanced (ie. they are not claiming some kind of miracle, and they evaluate possible sources of artifacts). I am a skeptical scientist though so I would like to see the phenomenon repeated and with more conditions (as do the authors of the article) before I would really buy-in.

While an incredible result (that our thoughts can influence physical properties in the world), it could provide a physical basis as to why positive thinking/prayer etc. can have a measurable beneficial outcome on patients recovering from surgery (see reference below) and other related curiosities. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=2614656&dopt=Citation

"The important thing is not to stop questioning. Curiosity has its own reason for existing." Albert Einstein

Well. How about that. While I disagree with most of peenie weenie's logic (at least that which is coherent). I am a bit surprised that a true double blind study is even possible in a case, such as this, where the observer would seem to be so much a part of the process.

Oh, right. We did a good thorough double-blind test on it and, instead of publishing the results, we're going to sell them online. Classic. Why didnt' I think of this? Fraud!

Hey there Rob Kisser, I don't think they're necesarily selling the results online. I'm a uni student and you often have to subscribe to scientific journals (by paying for them) if you want access to them online or in print. It's kinda like buying a magazine.

Stazia7,
I'm sure you're right. If I was running a scam and someone did a test that exonerated me, instead of posting the results online as a .pdf file where everyone on earth could download them for free, I'd charge a fee and print them out to kill some trees, and then ship them out via snail mail. In 2007, that's the state-of-the-art preferred method of getting the word out these days. It's roughly equivalent to using the Pony Express. Next.

Just want to confirm what Stasia7 said is true. Most research papers are not free to download because they often belong to a journal. And all journals require a subcribtion fee. Of course, if the journal is government funded, then it could be free.

Thanks for the feedback Open-minded, and what you're saying may be true. I don't doubt it. However, if your goal is to disprove the nay-sayers, then what you do is fund the study yourself (I can't imagine it would be that expensive to have a few people in a double-blind study in front of a ziploc bag full of water. And then you say "Think mean thoughts" or "think happy thoughts" or whatever it is that he says changes the molecular structure of water. And then, you have a guy on the other side of the room with a microscope and you don't tell him what they were thinking. You just hand him a bag of water and say "what was the person thinking when they reorganized these water molecules?"

And then, when you are proven right, you post the results of the doubleblind studies on a public forum for all the world to see.

This is a very easy thing to do. But, on the other hand, if you are a total fraud and what you're saying can't be independently verified, then yes, I think you throw up as many smoke screens as possible and toss up roadblocks and talk about how people should just believe. As in "faith". Like a religion. ;)

I would say it is probably a scam, he should be using his fame and authority to denounce the fact that the water we bathe in and consume is fluoridated and causes terrible damage. You cannot remove the bad stuff from water which causes osteooporosis and brain damage.

Where is the morality here, he is capable of supporting the UN and they just declared that water is not a basic human right I.E. all water is to be privatized because we mere serf are not reponsible to be the caretakers of our own natural sovereignty. Wake up guys, it´s one scam after another and they are very good at it.

If you take time to study Agenda 21 we will soon be rationed water, probably 10 litres per day for all your need, thanks to the Al Gore scam and the Club of Rome who came up with the idea that man id¡s the cancer and to reduce the population by 95%.

Do your research.

The movie 'What the Bleep" is completely laughable from beginning to end. First of all, they state that the native people in the Americans "didn't even see the sailboats coming from Europe because they had no prior experience with boats of this type so this meant that the boats were invisible to them." Hogwash. As a historian, I can tell you there are literally hundreds of accounts documented about native people's first impressions of these vessels from Europe. (For instance, in South America, they were linked to the native belief in white gods coming to them on the water.) The people who wrote this movie simply made this silly statement up. Do they really expect us to beleive that just because we've never seen something before, we just don't see it? So all the people who saw an airplane for the first time didn't see that either? That's just stupid. Secondly, the physicists interviewed in the movie are furious with the director of What the Bleep since their interviews were cut, edited and spliced to the extent that they seemed to be saying exactly the opposite of what they actually said. Thirdly, check out 'Ramptha' the housewife from the Midwest who 'channels' a spirit named Rampha who lived ten thousand years ago. The woman who pretends to be 'Rampha' is a millionaire since there are enough idiots out there who believe what comes out of her fake accent. The whole movie is a joke, including the so-called "Dr." Emoto who got his degree from a noncredited open university in India. I totally agree with PW. People who believe in this movie are the same people who believe in the unbelievably stupid book, "The Secret", the biggest insult to my intelligence I've ever read. The world is beautiful as it is. Science is discovering its mysteries every day. Making up silly stories to rip off uneducated people is a practice that is age-old. Thanks PW for this forum.

Hey I know my post is a little late in comparison to the final post but I have a few things to say.

The first is that you can find the full pdf of the double blind study here, subscription is no longer required.
http://download.journals.elsevierhealth.com/pdfs/journals/1550-8307/PIIS1550830706003272.pdf

Secondly I would like to point out that as one with a bachelors in physical science and currently enrolled in a graduate program for molecular physics I am aware of no physics equations, as I am sure peenie is as well, that governs the effects of thoughts or other processes on water. This is simply because these do not exsist. Physics deals with PHYSICAL effects, perhaps this study goes beyond what physics can currently explain because we are unaware of the mechanisms in which thought could display physical manifestations.
I am not arguing for Dr. Emoto, I just felt the need to shed some seriously grounded information into this discussion because, no offense peenie, but physics 1 & 2 from any University is meerely scratching the surface of physical sciences. Don't forget there are lots of unseen forces that have serious impact on our physical surroundings every day, everything from gravity to EMF to temperature difference. Its important to approach these issues with an open mind, I did, and following a little research I magically found the "proof" you have looking for all along.

Well, no offense Crazyloon, but getting a bachelors degree in physical science and enrolling in a graduate program is merely scratching the surface as well. My point is that in college, I studied Physics, Chemistry, Astronomy, and Mathematics at Tulane University. We covered electromagetic waves, black holes, time dialation, the Twin Paradox, you name it. And my point is that, no longer how long you study, they don't ever open up a box and say "now let's talk about the way that the mind controls water molecules". The reason they don't is because it isn't possible to control water molecules with your brain. If it were, we wouldn't be debating it on some miserable little backwater website like Peenie Wallie. If what the fraud Emoto claimed was possible, we'd be seeing it debated, studied, and replicated in the most prestigious labs across the globe. The reason we're not seeing this, is because he is a fraud. Plain and simple. Next.

"he's a fraud, because he's never contacted me to accept my challenge"

Well said, you Nobel Prize :-)

You brought no evidence that Dr. Emoto is a fraud. I wonder why you didn't try to reproduce his experiments yourself. The most "scientific" and "conclusive" evidence you brought against Emoto is the fact he's selling "magic bottles". Typical debunking crop: don't discuss the idea, just discredit the person.

I wonder if chemotherapy would really pass a serious double-blind test. But that's science, isn't it? And it's all for free, of course.

God. What a frustrated, miserable man you are!

People, many years ago our civilization invented what is called the "scientific method". It is very simple, I am sure you can all search it on the web. The key point is that this discussion is pointless as is because it is not going anywhere. The question of whether this is a hoax or not can be resolved very simply by, yes, you guessed right, using the scientific method.

So, has any other scientist, using the scientific method, been able to replicate the results? If so, please share the URL. If no, then you have your answer: this is a great business by someone smarter than all of us who is making already a bunch of money out of this discussion (with the fees of those of you who went purchasing the movie, the water, and the "$10 research".

Master Stephan Co spoke to an audience about energy and pranic healing two nights ago.Now THERE'S SOMETHING SCIENCE can't put in the BOX! OH CRAP! NOW WHAT DO WE DO?
He said that everyone is NOT in the same place consciously. Uh YEAH!
Peenie is definitely shackled to his belief system of what reality is and he is what the Navajo warn their children about...Souless being with the curse of only intellect. Sadly for him it is intellect fueled by fear, HUGE EGO and a lot of incredible rage and anger. Maybe he has father issues!
Dr. Emoto is just another human being, with faults, talents, emotions, ideas and spirit just like the rest of us. This enormous amount of energy coming out of Peenie is something any rational human being, wrong or right, would not be bothered with. Emoto is proving his sanity by not responding to this madness. That is IF he even knows about it!
For the sake of this man Emoto's good effort in the world and his validity I decided I would respond. Just like the guy who wrote "A Million Little Pieces" got ripped a new one by Oprah on TV because of HER ego, Dr. Wayne Dyer calls the guy up and says THANKS to him for saving his daughter's life with that book!. NOW Oprah publically apologizes and realizes what an ass she made out of herself because it was all about her and not the affect the book had for the healing of many broken lives! She was a slow learner on that one! I think Oprah contributes a lot to helping others but THAT was a BIG BOMB! Thank God she recovered! Not that I condon liars! He cleaned up his mess and is STILL helping people! What's that about "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone"...?

I am not a Bible Banger but the Book does tell us not to cast our pearls to the swine or waste pearls of wisdom on dogs. Dogs love us no matter what and just can't understand the gift of a pearl, the dumb mutts would just eat them! Swine are too busy going after what they want in their gluttoney to understand what the heck you are giving them, in this case,talking about.
I have been injured twice and the "brilliance" of modern medicine and science told me I would never walk, stand, or sit again for prolonged periods of time! The LTD company's doctors said I did not even qualify for a part time job! Those clowns would tell a professional runner with no legs he could still run a race! They are the LAST to tell someone they will be paid LTD checks until they are 55! So I KNEW it was going to be a battle to get my life back!

My son died in my arms after the car accident that shredded my spinal ligament. Then 8 years later after being back to work for 5 years, (the first injury took 34 months to heal) I was thrown across the aircraft in turbulance and took a metal armrest under the shoulder blade into the SAME area of SPINE! See, apparently I had not learned something the first time, so I was given the opportunity to get it right the second time! I healed my life, NOT with SCIENCE, with THOUGHT! NO KIDDING! I cleaned up my diet, detoxed my body which is 4% of the battle! 96% was reprogramming my belief system and my thinking and envisioned my body whole again! Took 36 months but I DID IT!
As for Emoto and your offer, if you REALLY did your homework you would see this stuff is backed up over and over again all over the place! It's all very elementary Watson! REALLY IT IS! LITERALLY!
School children all over the world prove Emoto right almost every freaking day! I went to a school for the homeless to teach a class for them and they showed me the seedlings they were growing. The boys put a bunch of angry skull and monster pictures on their dixie cups of dirt and nothing was growing well at all. The girls put beautiful pictures of hearts, words of love and cherish and they were growing rain forests in comparison!
This fervor, this anger, this arrogance is a MUCH bigger danger than some little Japanese guy running around and telling people to love themselves to make the world a better place! You are SO missing the BIG PICTURE LITTLE GRASSHOPPER!
This kind of moronic mentality is what created the continues genecide of the Native Americans. This is what brought the fall of Rome. Arrogance, intellect, ignorance, righteousness. There is a price to be paid for this and it isn't fun or pretty.

Peenie take ALL this energy you have and THINK real hard how you might do good in the world. Look in the mirror and ask, "What is it about me I don't like that Emoto is reflecting, this guy pisses me off because he reminds me of myself in what way?" If it's not what is IN you then it is what you JUDGE and both are lessons for YOU! NOT EMOTO!

If you give a crap about yourself you will stop wrapping your life in a Dixie cup covered in Skull and crossbones and open yourself to some higher FEELING. Medicine people would not even bother with your foolishness. Emoto has learned a few things from Indians and the Bible. He doens't waste his time fighting with rabid dogs. If you were more civilized he would honor your request.
The UNKNOWN can't be put in a double blind study. Explain THIS...
Deeply concerned for my dying son I walked with a shreded spinal ligament and a broken foot to be with him. Then the EXPERTS told me I was finished! Well I turned away from negative people, negative science and even my negative family and showed them how it's done...I decided to use the "PLACEBO affect on myself" which is science's way of debunking that unexplainable mystery of human spirit. I healed and I got my life back! NOT with science with THOUGHT, PRAYER, and mind INTO my matter! It took twice for me to GET IT!

Maybe Life will BLESS you with serious injury you can overcome and maybe Emoto won't be the fraud you think he is. He is a fraud only if you think in a box. Science is in many ways still a huge member of the "Flat Earth Society"! Heck THE church just recently released Gallileo from HIS heracy! Emoto will be long dead and gone by the time the world catches up and agrees with him. Actually it's NOT him, it's the message he carries! He knows that and isn't the least bit worried about it!

Emoto is a flawed man just like all of us. What he has discovered is NOT his...he is only the messenger. Get over it! Go after the SOURCE of CREATION and bitch to that being! Emoto is THAT being's poor suckerlacky who got stuck with the burden of carrying a powerful gift to humanity, oh yea, humanity the most uncivilized, murderous, cannibalistic species in creation. What hope is there for some little Japanese guy to get past snarling hounds in the junk yard of Earth? Not much...except...there are some out here who will carry the torch for Light. One day Peenie you are going to see that Light and say "HOLY shit the little Jap guy was right! WHAT THE #*%&#*QW)!!! did I KNOW anyway? Sorry DUDE!" (I mean no disrespect to Japanese people, I was merely making a statement in Peenie's obvious venacular!)
As for SCIENCE:
So science had me finished! Well I didn't! I took it to the enth degree....I went from their scientific physical wasteland to a powerful body..
I walk on broken glass barefoot, I walk on fire, became a certified firewalk instructor, staff High Ropes Youth Leadership Camps. Teach Fear Management, work with batterend women, the homeless, the elderly, families with teens in crisis and am an international public speaker about healing and personal empowerment.

I am a long distance walker and I am stronger and in better shape than I have ever been in my life!
Science had me strapped to a bed or chair. I took that Jesus guy and decided it was worth a shot. "Even the least among you (the jerk with the biggest ego, the lowest self esteem, the biggest fears and doubts, the loudest bark) can do ALL the works I have done and even greater works!" to paraphrase Him.
Well, Peenie, let's go after this Jesus guy. I mean who does he think he is? I discovered he did not lie to us. I broke boards and bricks without a bit of martial arts training. I never believed I could do that...until I did!

Jesus I think, we can say was not a fraud. Bet you would argue that just to have a good bone to chew on! Not that Emoto is as evolved as Him by any means but seriously, He said even the least among us....hmmm. Don't see anyone walking on water or raising the dead! Hmmm he must have been a fraud OR NOT!

Because SCIENCE said I could not have my life back, my job, my health, I should not be walking, teaching High Ropes courses, rowing, none of that based on many studies by the finest of science.

Huh, well guys it is the UNSEEN that we can't put down on paper. It is the SPIRIT of the human BEING that does amazing stuff SCIENCE WILL NEVER EXPLAIN! NEVER EVER! Get used to it! Weird shit happens and mankind can never explain it! The Tao says that once you try to explain it you are already WRONG! GET OUT OF YOUR FREAKIN HEAD and TRY TO FIND YOUR SOUL! It's a MUCH bigger part of you that your mechanics (brain). Your brain will be worm food one day your soul keeps on truckin!
As for Emoto's claim about the power of our thoughts pay attention....
Dr. Larry Dossey has written volumes on this subject. Dr. David Hawkins same thing. Dr. Depak Chopra, Dr. Wayne Dyer, Dr. Brian O'Leary, Dr. Candace Pert. Of course science pooh poohs them too! Like the guy said, don't waste time tossin pearls of great sacred mysteries to fools who don't know a pearl from a kernal of corn!

The guy who wrote "A Million Little Pieces" did not get ripped a new one by Oprah on TV because of HER ego. The guy that wrote "A Million Little Pieces" got ripped a new one because he published a work of fiction as the truth. He was exposed on national television as a liar and a fraud. Interesting that you chose to lump him in with another fraud - your false prophet "Dr." Masaru Emoto. (And he's a doctor only if you count diplomas that come out of Dime Store bubblegum machines).

Emoto has never followed established scientific guidelines for his experiments (he admited as much himself, in an interview with the Maui News); instead, it seems he allows his photographers to pick single crystals that seem to support his conclusions, ignoring those that might not. The James Randi Educational Foundation has offered Emoto a million dollar prize if he can demonstrate his “water messages� using double-blind testing techniques (wherein the photographer looking at the crystals doesn’t know how they’ve been “treated� beforehand). Emoto has so far refused.

I don't know enough about physics to say fraud or not, but I do know from my own experience that if you're a s****y, negative person in both thought and action, it shows up on your face and life sooner than later. Lets say ALL the quantum and water stuff was true anyway (I'm not saying it is, but lets just pretend for moment..), what does it say in a nutshell? Control what goes on in your head and focus on what's right in life. I'm not genius but I think that about sums it up. I feel it's always good to wear conclusions loosely, because in the grand scheme of things, we really don't know s***. Aaaaaloha!

There are a great many phenomena which, due to their nature, cannot be subjected to proper double-blind experiments. I myself teach arts that have been subjected to a great deal of research, and many claims have been made about their benefits. But all of this research should be taken with a grain of salt, since they often rely on subjective interpretations, not only by the researchers, but of the subjects themselves. In my field, as in medicine there is often too much credence given to clinical trials, in spite of their limited scientific worth.

This does not disprove the validity of the arts, however. If anything, it demonstrate the limitations of ordinary approaches to scientific method. There are different levels of skill in all the arts, as there are amongst experimental researchers and biostatisticians.

There is nothing scientific about calling someone a fraud. Nor is there anything convincing about insulting those with whom you disagree. Mediocre science is countered by good science, not by puerile diatribes.

Why should the Good Dr. accept your challenge?

'most everyone with a new theory is challenged by many sources - most of which are more dignified by being responded to than they ever were before.

I'm reminded of a story about Jack Dempsey. While sitting at the bar in his Manhattan restaurant a drunk started punching his arm, trying to start a fight.

After taking a few hits, Dempsey turned to the drunk and said 'Listen, if you hit me again AND I FND OUT ABOUT IT I'll have to toss you out of here.

No sweat for Jack ... no bragging rights for the drunk.

If all you've got to yap about is your 'challenge' - but no evidence or contrary experiments - then just sober up and go home.

PW - it's not (necessarily) your ideas that are pathetic. it's your attitude. you seem the type that will die of a brain aneurism or heart attack at age 40. stress kills! calm down and OPEN your mind... i find it ironic you claim to offend the narrow minded and amuse the rest, when the most narrow-minded seem to be you and (some of) your supporters ;P

there's not really any sense speaking metaphysics or philosophy with somebody who only believes what the great god science has "proved".

(perhaps senselessly, i'll throw my two cents in anyway - primarily for the benefit of the other readers, but maybe some tiny part of your small brain and massive ego will retain something from it)

you want to discredit human consciousness and power of the mind...? some indian "philosophers" namely Kanada, described the atom in relatively finite and ACCURATE detail in the 6th century BC. [http://www.thecatalyst.org/resource/2006/04/21/Atoms/ -- look under the "Early Atomism" heading]

how is this possible...? simply with the power of the mind. they meditated (www.dhamma.org) to the point of being able to actually observe the atom with their own awareness. when did the all knowing and magnificent science "discover" the atom?? nearing the end of the 18th century... so, science was only about 2400yrs behind the human mind at that time. how far behind is it now...? considering the bell curve of technological advancement, i'd haphazardly guess at least a couple hundred years.

You know that Einstein believed in god, right?

The fact that people are so eager to divide and destroy anything that is out of their realm of experience or belief system is completely laughable. GROW up. Good luck in life, Mr "Successful". I hope your lessons are not too hard on you, you seem to be seeking them out with avarice.

Cheers.

To Peenie Wallie

Sorry that this is not for arguments. Your feelings about meditators is not correct. I wish if you could come to India, the ancient country of rajayoga meditation, to feel how vibrations could bring in changes in man's mind, in society and even in matter. You needn't spend any money. Just taste what is meditation, perhaps you could see the water experiments in a new light, in a new wisdom.

Jose David (daveedjose@yahoo.co.in)

Well, would like to ask a few questions myself. You people that are writing this article and supporting it. First off, Peenie Wallie, where are you're credentials? You say this guy got his degree from an online mail order program. Yet, many people are getting online degrees nowadays. What? You honestly think that your so called degree that you probably printed out on paper yourself, is better than an online study program? I bet you probably don't even have a life so to speak. I bet you probably just sit at home all day writing articles and so forth. That's apparently all you have time for. These so called articles of yours that ridicule anyone and everyone that's against you, and yet, you claim to offer MR. E 10 grand to do a blind test? Hahahahaha. That's a joke. No one in their right minds would accept 10 grand to come talk to a no body, who's sole basis is based off logic along and no scientific experiments to back it up. Big deal, you have a chart. Anyone can photoshop a chart nowadays. Where is your solid evidence backing up your statements? Also, flaming and ridiculing everyone that steps in to read your article and comment is a good way to loose readers. You've ridiculed people for reading a book and what not. I'm beginning to think that maybe you've picked up a physics book at a yard sale and now call yourself a physics expert. You've done no real scientific benefits to humanity, you've done nothing to get your name out there. So why should Mr. E even waste his time with you? I wouldn't. Also, do you honestly thing that Mr. E would actually talk to someone who's pen name is Peenie Wallie? They're probably making sick jokes about your name and how small that skeptic brain of yours is. I personally don't think you have 10 grand just laying around. Otherwise, you'd produce results yourself to challenge Mr. E. That would be the logical thing to do. But, as far as basing your evidence on pure Logic. That's pure stupidity at tit's finest. Why? Simple. Physics based purely off logic, has been proven wrong on several occasions. That's not a very firm base you have there.

I do however think that if you were serious about proving him wrong, you'd do some experiments yourself, instead of trying to get 15 minutes of fame off someone elses work, and your lousy Logic excuses. I also agree that Logic should play an important part in Science, but it should only play an equal part along with experiments. If you don't do experiments your self, and just do Logic, you're not a real Scientist. So, my suggestion, is either Walk the Walk, or don't say anything at all.

I can promise you that I'm every bit as much as a scientist as this Dr. Emoto fraud is. He's not a scientist. He's either a fraud or a moron. Hard to know which. But a scientist? Certainly not.

I found this site by accident. You really are a douche. Even other skeptics would think this. I doubt you've got $100 to your name and certainly no sense (boom-tish).

If you want to be taken seriously, stop carrying on like a child and screaming "dumb white trash" every time someone has a point. You sound like an idiot.

You didn't find this site by accident, Nimrod. You found this site because, when you search for that fraud-shyster-idiot-liar's name "Dr. Masaru Emoto fraud", my website comes up third in the list of search results you dumb jackass. Crawl under a rock and die.

I've tried his rice experiment and it works, Science is evolving everyday and changing the very foundation of what we believed was an unbreakable law (remember back in the day when scientists "PROVED" that the earth was the center of the universe or that it was flat? thank god for people like Galileo who strayed away from the skeptics and showed us the truth). So who knows, Dr. Masaru Emoto's claims are testable and verifiable, so he has scientific backing to his theories. Plus, I highly doubt that you have the same education/knowledge, intense study and experimentation, and degree that he has. Show me your PhD and detailed scientific experiments and maybe I'll reconsider my opinion.

And when you "tried his rice experiment", was it a double blind study? Do you even know what that means? Just because the conventional wisdom has been overturned in the past doesn't mean the conventional wisdom is always wrong. If it did, then there would be no point in trying to learn anything. We'd just all wander the street like drug-addled hippies saying stupid things like "dude...i tried his rice experiment and it totally works...omg...i swear." Put down the bong, hippie. Emoto is a fraud and you are a moron.

this is a VERY interesting debate. some a little harsh, but nevertheless interesting. i found this inspired by dr. masaru emoto iphone app -- sounds odd, but wow http://WaterChargerApp.com/ -- keep up the research people, the planet depends on it!

i love how everyone is talking about him like he is a cultist if you dont believe then fine no prob but for you to say you wont spend a nickle to prove him wrong or even prove that he is correct but you will go and set up this website and spend all your time creating it and then offer up 10,000 dollars to prove to him that he is incorrect sounds like peenie wallie(who the hell is peenie wallie anyway sounds fairly douchebag like to me but what do i know) has nothing better to do with his time but were supposed to believe your ramblings and then when someone puts their OPINION on the site which is obviously the reason you went out of your way to do all this which i think is pretty fucking pathetic!! (OPINION) you scream at people calling them white trash because they state their own OPINION which i believe is true and the fact that you would believe a government that has been known to lie to all americans in order to serve their own agendas over public opinion is pretty fucked up on its own!!! Btw are you a scientist at all are you even a part of the scientific community at all where is your standing why do you believe that everyone should listen to your crap at least mr. emoto is known for the works he puts out i think that people need to find better things to do with their time than talk shit about someone that they dont even know and then go out of their way to set up and operate a website then offer 10,000 and after all that you say i wouldnt spend a nickle to debunk him sounds like a contradiction the whole scenario does GET A LIFE PEOPLE AND STOP WORRYING ABOUT EVERYONE ELSE, WOW!!! PEOPLE!!! some things never change!!peenie wallie ha what a joke keep on screaming thats a way to get your point across!! and one last thing he probably never said or even knows anything about you who are you anyway i just so happened to come across this bullshit and i have known about emoto for about a year now but never heard of you!!