Peenie Wallie

You sent your daughter in there?
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[-]throwaway011313[S] 3 points 21 hours ago
She's 15. Not a good move. In hindsight, it was a very stupid move. But I really just couldn't believe that it was what it appeared to be...a crime in progress. For some reason, I wanted to believe that they were really open.
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[-]onvvideotape 2 points 21 hours ago
Understandable. Sorry if I came off as judgmental.
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[-]throwaway011313[S] 1 point 21 hours ago
No, dude. You're exactly right. It was stupid to send her in there. But, it was so surreal. Here's a restaurant...been open forever. A staple of the community, and it appears to be closed. But this is in the middle of the day, in broad daylight, and a woman walks into the building...so I'm thinking "go check it out...see if they're open". It was a curiosity thing...but obviously, in hindsight, I should never have sent her in there. What if the woman came running out and my daughter didn't? What then? It was a stupid move on my part.
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[-]onvvideotape 2 points 21 hours ago
Yes, but people make stupid snap decisions. Don't beat yourself up about it. All that matters is that your daughter is safe.
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[-]throwaway011313[S] 2 points 21 hours ago
Yes. I'm thankful for that. :)
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[-]GirPhralad 5 points 21 hours ago
Maybe the property owner was taking care of business, the old owners were picking up some paperwork (tax forms; tis the season) or the landlord was meeting a potential renter.
TL;DR Yes, paranoia.
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[-]throwaway011313[S] 3 points 21 hours ago
Yes, agreed, but then why did the girl answer the way she did? Daughter asked "are ya'll open" and she said "I'm not sure". Makes no sense. You say "I'm sorry...we're closed for business. Sorry."
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[-]GirPhralad 3 points 21 hours ago
I've said dumber things when surprised.
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[-]throwaway011313[S] 2 points 21 hours ago
Why was the building unlocked?
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[-]GirPhralad 1 point 21 hours ago
The old owner was collecting various items that could be sold on eBay to recover some of the cost of going out of business when the woman shows up to grab some tax paperwork. She's just a gopher and doesn't really know what's going on hence her confusion in answering "I don't know".
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[-]throwaway011313[S] 2 points 21 hours ago
Here's the problem with that scenario. The cops cleared the building. It was open. No one was in there. Why would she run to the bank with tax paperwork? Why leave without locking the building?
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[-]GirPhralad 1 point 20 hours ago
Because your daughter scared her.
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[-]throwaway011313[S] 2 points 20 hours ago
why would she be scared? The building was open. She had to expect that someone might walk in since it was open.
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[-]throwaway011313[S] 1 point 20 hours ago
And my daughter didn't scare her. She called out "Are Yall Open". A reasonable question, IMHO.
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[-]GirPhralad 1 point 20 hours ago
She didn't expect anyone to come in and someone did. Ever run into your house to grab something real quick before you bone out?
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[-]throwaway011313[S] 1 point 20 hours ago
No, because my house isn't a place of business where strangers come in every day to eat a meal for the last 10 years. This place just closed. Very recently...possibly in the last day or two. It would not be unreasonable for someone to mistake that they were open. Huge 2 For 1 Beer banners all over the front. Doors unlocked. Looked dark inside, but the place we ended up eating at was just as dark and it was open.
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[-]throwaway011313[S] 1 point 21 hours ago
Also, why was the place open when they got there, and open when they left. Makes no sense to leave a building unlocked when it's not open for business. People could steal things, torch the place...there's all sorts of reason to keep a business locked if no one is there, obviously. v
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[-]rocky8u 1 point 21 hours ago
They could have been accusing your daughter of trespassing if they were the property owner/manager.
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[-]throwaway011313[S] 1 point 21 hours ago
Agreed, but why was the place open when they got there, and open when they left. Makes no sense to leave a building unlocked when it's not open for business. People could steal things, torch the place...there's all sorts of reason to keep a business locked if no one is there, obviously.
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[-]throwaway011313[S] 1 point 21 hours ago
I don't think you could accuse someone for trespassing in a commercial business if it wasn't locked. I think that you could have walked into that place and not noticed it was closed. You could accuse them I suppose, but I doubt it would go anywhere.
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[-]rocky8u 1 point 20 hours ago
An owner or manager with that level of responsibility can trespass anyone for any reason. Presumably they would have more cause to do so if the business was closed, but if the person responsible for the property asks someone to leave, they have to leave.
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[-]throwaway011313[S] 1 point 20 hours ago*
Yeah, not that simple. You can't ask someone to leave because they're black, or gay, or too tall. There are limits around this. I'd also point out that, if you're worried about trespassers, then you lock the front door. This is a very common practice. I'd wager good money you've never in your life walked into a business and found it wide open, with the chairs on the tables, and no one there.
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[-]coughka 1 point 21 hours ago
Why would you think a dark restaurant was open just because someone went inside of it? Paranoid - I'm sorry. It sounds like you guys are being nosy.
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[-]throwaway011313[S] 1 point 21 hours ago
Because I watched her go into it. It was completely open. She never had a key in her hand. And when she left, she came RUNNING OUT OF THE BUILDING and RAN ACROSS THE PARKING LOT TO THE BANK...made a transaction, and left. I know that you think I'm being nosy. I'm happy for you. But that doesn't change the facts. The building was open when she got there. She left with it still open. And the cops walked all through the building. No one was there. Now, drop the part about me being nosy. It's neither here nor there. Explain what happened.
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[-]coughka 1 point 20 hours ago
Transaction? How are you so sure? Because she left with someone at a bank? I just can't wrap my head around the entering a dark restaurant expecting it to be open because one person went inside without a key. If it's dark, how are they going to be in business? I'd like to assume people are doing what they need to do. What if that lady had a valid excuse? You're just trying to get her into trouble.
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[-]throwaway011313[S] 1 point 20 hours ago
Yeah, so you're wrong about one thing. I'm not just trying to get her in trouble. That's absurd. I'm trying to understand what I saw, and nothing makes sense. You're just trying to justify her actions, without being there or having a real explanation for the scenarios I've described. She didn't leave with someone at the bank. She came running out of the building, left it unlocked, ran to the bank, obviously performed a transaction or why else would she go in there, then hops into an idling car and drives away.
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[-]coughka 1 point 20 hours ago*
A transaction with whom, though? I can't wrap my head around a closed restaurant that's unlocked, but there's no one else inside but this lady and your daughter, yet a transaction was performed, and I'm guessing no money missing from the restaurant, as in from their vault? If some were to be missing, wouldn't the cops notice tampering with the safe or till, or would they have called the owners of the restaurant? Have you figured out why they were closed? Is it even a place that is still in business or is it down for renovations? Are you guys just visiting this place?
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[-]throwaway011313[S] 1 point 20 hours ago
With an ATM machine on a sunday afternoon? I'd wager money she made a deposit with something she took out of the building. Cash. Checks. I dunno. But something came out of that building...she RAN across the parking lot...deposited int he bank ATM, hopped in the car, and FLED. Leaving the building WIDE OPEN. Not normally what I see from a business owner. I'm just saying.
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[-]coughka 2 points 20 hours ago
Well I'm sure it will be reported by the manager or owner if anything is missing, and the cops will already be familiar because of you.
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[-]throwaway011313[S] 1 point 20 hours ago
This was kind of my thought...like...I'm not certain a crime was committed. I suspect it was, but not certain obviously. If anything does come up though, I have photos of the people and the car. Good clear frontal shots of her with a digital SLR. The cops were going to contact the owner of the property to make sure they were aware of the situation. That was my goal really. Just to try to make sure something untoward was going on and that they'd get away with doing something tricky.
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[-]throwaway011313[S] 1 point 19 hours ago
I'm not sure if money is missing from the restaurant, safe, till, etc. I never set foot in the place. My daughter did, and fled in fear. The police reportedly "cleared" the place later. They walked all through the business and verified no one was in there. I'm not clear if they found anything missing, or if they'd recognize if something was missing. They told me they'd call the owner. That's the last word I heard from them.
I would say that the business is closed, but closed fairly recently. Like, within the last week or so? Maybe a month ago? Just guessing.
We were just looking for a place to eat lunch. That's all really. Nothing exciting. What we saw though, was bizarre enough for me to decide that the police would be better able to figure out what was going on instead of me. I promise you that you've never in your life walked into a restaurant that had everything in it (tables, chairs, etc.) that was unlocked but had no one in the building. It makes no sense.
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[-]Nnofapp 2 points 20 hours ago*
The woman is someone's assistant. The owner left the door unlocked for her, because the owner didn't want to meet her there in person, and didn't think that anyone else would try to open the door... Kind of like how some people will leave a door unlocked for a housekeeper.
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[-]throwaway011313[S] 1 point 20 hours ago
This is the first quasi-reasonable explanation I've heard for why the building would be unlocked.
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[-]throwaway011313[S] 1 point 20 hours ago
But the part that you're missing is this...my daughter came running out of that place scared for her life. I've never seen her like that. The woman that was in the building was startled. She was surprised that someone else was in the building. She never came out to confront my daughter. Instead, she cowered in the back, shuffling papers and knocking things around in a way that seriously convinced my daughter that the person was caught in the act of doing something surreptitious. She told my daughter to leave immediately or "right away", and she ran out of that place, scared for her life. She begged me to drive away as fast as possible. I think that ya'll are all downplaying this for whatever reason.
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[-]throwaway011313[S] 1 point 20 hours ago
Nice try, except for this. It's Sunday, so the bank is closed on Sunday, and everyone knows this. So, no guard to run to. Also, she had a person with her...a male..sitting in the idling car outside. So, if she felt threatened, she could have called him to come in on a cell phone. Or run to him and the car, instead of going to the bank, where she had to RUN PAST THE IDLING CAR WITH A MALE IN IT to get to the bank WHICH WAS KNOWN TO BE CLOSED AND THEREFORE NO SECURITY GUARDS. She wasn't scared. She was on a mission.
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[-]throwaway011313[S] 1 point 20 hours ago
Also, my daughter just turned 15 and doesn't weigh 100 pounds dripping wet. She's not really an intimidating person.
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[-]throwaway011313[S] 1 point 20 hours ago
She was not. And I think that, in retrospect, that was part of what made me think it was OK to send my daughter in to see what was going on. She appeared to be of Asian descent. Probably 5'2". Maybe 100 pounds. Not over it. She didn't look like a criminal, if that makes any sense, but her actions just really befuddled me.
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[-]throwaway011313[S] 1 point 20 hours ago
I would say running as opposed to sprinting. Your question is a valid question. Probably the best question that's been asked so far. Running into the bank makes sense if no one is around, but if we had just spotted her, then why wouldn't she hop in the car and take off? This is a good question.
But, when she came back out to the car, and got in, I asked her again...very directly "Is this place open" and again, she said "I don't know". That's a very strange answer for someone running out of the building when she was the only person in the building.
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[-]throwaway011313[S] 1 point 19 hours ago
I hear what you're saying, but I think that we'll have to agree to disagree on this one. The most logical answer is to say "we are closed", and lock the door. This would be the normal, expected rational response from a person that had nothing to hide.
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[-]CiceroLovesHummus 3 points 20 hours ago
Better safe than sorry.
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[-]throwaway011313[S] 2 points 20 hours ago
This is why I called the police. Better safe than sorry. I figured..."hey...look..this is what I saw...I'm not sure what's going on, but it looked very suspicious IMHO".
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[-]Macktologist 2 points 20 hours ago
How bad was your daughter freaking out after she ran back in near tears saying to get out right away, but had to wait and watch while this lady came back out of the restaurant, then walked into a bank and did some bank work, then came back out of the bank and hopped in a car that was idling with a man in it this whole time? Was she yelling at you to step on the gas and move your ass?
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[-]throwaway011313[S] 1 point 20 hours ago
Yes. All of that. She was not happy with me for not fleeing on command. She wanted no part of it. However, I am well armed, so I'm not inclined to run away in this situation. My daughter was very scared, but I was concerned. If these people scared her that badly, then who are they, why are they here, and what is going on. I got very clear Digital SLR photos of the girl and the car so I could report what I saw. But yeah, my daughter was freaking out.
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